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After the war, Steven’s plan was the right one. We can see today that reconstruction failed miserably. Before the war, however, his plans would have lost the whole thing.

Congress will ahow mandate.

The it factor is unique u take control of the situation an when u lose it makes u think an in ur mind u will win or in any otjer job situation.u cant teach it .hes stupid he doesnt know metrics blah blah .ok how many michael jordans in the league nobody.its the mind u cant teach it.early years help u do it an how to adapt.an make u better an dont take shit.hea stupid

It factor Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant period.u take everything seriously an want to be the best u think about everything how to be better an when somebody says something bad u challenge them an make them look stupid.an u win.

best scene!

Flawed logic Mr. President. Because if that's the case then why fight a war for the freedom of people if there will be no freedom for said people once it is over? If there is no freedom it will be death and destruction for nothing other than things going right back to how they were before which is what they tried to do after the Civil War.

I saw this movie in it's entirety and was a little bored. However, in small doses, it's incredble.

Our culture likes to scoff at movies as being a lesser form of literature, that it is somehow a less intelligent artistic medium. In some cases, that may be true, but don't pretend that there wasn't crappy writings being published along side the greats like Tolstoy, Dickens, or Shakespeare. Truth be told, that monologue about the value of True North is just as profound and important as much of our beloved literature from yesteryear. It doesn't get the recognition it deserves because of the shear AMOUNT of literature our culture now creates across all mediums is inundating. Prior centuries had time to focus and savor every beautiful word with nothing to distract them. REGARDLESS OF MEDIUM, we must be more diligent in finding the best and making sure it is not buried beneath the sands of lesser works. LINCOLN.... is one of those "bests".

Is there a greater living actor than Daniel Day-Lewis?

Whats great about this scene is neither man is wrong

White America is so very ugly. It is so sad and disappointing. 😔

Great scene, in a great film, by 2 great actors, telling a great story

When Lincoln says “as [slavery] spreads out of the American south into South America” he’s referring to the concept of the Golden Circle

To think, this is the same man who portrayed Bill the Butcher and Daniel Plainview ("There Will Be Blood"). You forget there's an actor there, and see only the character -- in this case, an actual historical figure, known at some level to all. Daniel Day-Lewis is arguably the greatest actor of our time.

We should have gone with Steven's plan.

Wow!! Great clip thank you for posting.

I’ve never seen Tommy Lee Jones get bodied in the talent category but it’s like watching a student act with their teacher

Lincoln was wrong and Stevens right. By going soft on the "south" Lincoln allowed it to re-establish slavery and we had to fight the civil war all over again. We're still doing it. Now the descendants of the slavers want to split America apart again.

South America had slavery for longer than America did.

the way Tommy Lee says "ossified".....🤌

the reality of politics. i'd like to think this is exactly how these negotiations went in real life.

Redistribution of wealth? What would modern “Republicans” say…? 😂😂😂

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allies will rarely abide a discomfortable situation never taking it on the chin having no stomach, for even a drop of the experiences, the people they advocate for have lived with for their whole lives lots of Stevens', not enough Lincolns

Politics, when used constructively, is the action of using power and influence to foster positive change slowly. SLOWLY. And the changes have to be slow in order for the public to adjust, debate in society and regulate. And the debate of educated, sensible minds can lead the charge.

putting imaginary dialogue in historic figures mouths. entertaining?maybe. realistic?no. G,29March'24

I'm a "son of the confederacy". I have heard both sides my whole life. I believe my life has been better due to the preservation of the Union. And of my children. Scar my heart that today we would be 2 different countries. May one of us be speaking in German now? But we don't. The Civil War has a horrific event, no kind things can be said about it. But after, WE did something the world had not done. Jeff Davis, Gen Lee and all of them were not sent to Gulags. While mistakes were made, there was no lynch mob sent against the "Reb's". We are perhaps the first Civil War that did not vanquish the defeated. We are a remarkable people, with all of our flaws. This "kindness" fully manifested itself in the "Marshal Plan" after WW2. This is what we do. With all of our problems, we are still "the shining city on the hill." May God bless you all. And may God bless the United States of America. Boy could we use Abe Lincoln now.

Love it, that’s a coach who cares about the big picture!!!

I love this scene. I find it worrying that so many people these days seek to emphasize uncompromising radicals like Stevens while de-emphasizing the more moderate - and more successful - Lincoln. It's a hard time for those repelled by the growing forces of ideological extremes.

A great dialogue, as applicable today as n the 1860’s.

Can you imagine anyone in Congress or the White House speaking like this these days? Or even understanding what these guys are talking about. They’re both right. They’re both wrong. And if no one on one side of the aisle is willing to work with anyone on the other side of the aisle what the hell is the point of even sending them there in the first place??

Abe lincoln was the greatest criminal sociopath in history. He was not a good president and he did nothing to free the slaves. His only goal was to release the lawyers from accountability and checks and balances. We really need to undo the criminal acts of him and his administration.

What he is sayong is: do as I adk. Ill take care of the rest.

But if one tries to avoid every hill and chasm, every swamp and mountain, one may very well end up going in the opposite direction of where you wanna go. Sometimes the road is hard... Deal with it.

So Stevens was a communist.

Tommy Lee Jones was brilliant in this.

I luv how he doesn’t react .. but responds pragmatically

Giant actors playing giant men. Wonderfully done.

“The movie is just… -CREEPY!” (Pastor Manning)

"I shit on the people"

I know he won the academy award for the performance, but i still think he was miscasted

Good counter-point by Lincoln at the end of clip.

What the fuck is he talking about, "infinite abundance"? When you lie like a bitch, it makes other things you say suspect.

Lincoln was moderate, a realist and pragmatic. Stevens was radical, an idealist and un-practical.

Stevens was 19th century Antifa.

Stevens wanted the American Promise NOW. Love it. Astounding scene.

Such compelling dialogue from both sides and not just…… RACISM BAD! SLAVERY END NOW! There’s actual reason and purpose behind their thoughts and decisions.

Leading and representing are two fundamentally different things, any politician that does not understand this should never be elected to represent.

Bravo.

liberals .. always tellin you to slow down